NORA paid subscription feedback #63
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far? |
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Very
Yes, but would prefer yearly
Camera / Streaming devices
Thinking about Domoticz & Gladys |
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far? would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA? how much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly) what features do you think are missing from Smart NORA? would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)? |
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far? would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA? how much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly) what features do you think are missing from Smart NORA? would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)? |
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far?
would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA?
how much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly)
what features do you think are missing from Smart NORA?
would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)?
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far?
would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA?
how much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly)
what features do you think are missing from Smart NORA?
would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)?
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Device support is always in the work. On the speed & stability: if you experience issues, you can always open an issue on github to discuss them. If it's related to NORA, should be fixable. If related to Google Assistant, nothing we can do :( |
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how satisfied are you with NORA so far?
would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA?
how much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly)
what features do you think are missing from Smart NORA?
would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)?
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So I integrated stripe for subscriptions. There are 2 prices available: 2 eur / month and 20 eur / year. After 1st December, users with no subscriptions will only get 5 devices, across all groups, synced with Google Home. |
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Paid, thank you too for the service!! |
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Paid also |
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Paid. I was surprised to find out that I'm already at 8 devices! (and have plans that will easily double that) |
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Hi Andrei, already paid a couple of days ago. But so far it's not visible in my account - do I miss anything? |
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@bjuedes I can but I will need your used id. It's displayed when you visit: https://smart-nora.eu/my-nora |
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Paid, thank you for such a great service. |
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Hi Andrei,
my ID is H1yupFtCQ7ePFZZkgNzvnOpta9s2, thanks!
BR Bernd
Von: Andrei Tatar ***@***.***>
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Oktober 2021 08:51
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@bjuedes <https://github.com/bjuedes> I can but I will need your used id. It's displayed when you visit: https://smart-nora.eu/my-nora
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@bjuedes Stripe says the payment failed. I sent you an email with the details. |
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Okay, I will check and pay again then.
Thanks!
BR Bernd
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@bjuedes <https://github.com/bjuedes> Stripe says the payment failed. I sent you an email with the details.
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Paid - definitely worth it! |
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ok today all but 3 lights stopped working with smart nora , but thats ok with a 12 euro echo flex I still have control. I will be honest here and say i have found smart nora to work quite well until one light stopped turning on about a month a go. Not a hope in hell that I will pay a subscription to turn my lights on. When there are free alternatives. I prefer local tuya to the tuya clould app and google is a maniac turning of sockets in a room as well as the light. Which is why i didn't want to use the tuya integration in google home. I could see myself making a one of payment for smart nora but never a subscription. There are light switches after all. |
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Not a problem. Thanks for the feedback! |
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On the light that doesn't work anymore, if you still use the service, you can open an issue with the details. I suspect it's not Nora related, but you never know. |
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The light that stopped working only stopped turning on , it still worked to turn it off and the integration was identical for the other 8 tuya lights, The node says API Error I can still turn the light on with alexa and the same local tuya integration. So it's looking to be Nora or maybe node red that had the problem. It's a good project but subscribing to turn my lights on. It also defeats the purpose of having smart bulbs which turn off automatically. |
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I see a lot of pro paid user feedback. But the recent abrupt crippling of the free version was a tragic event for me. I've lost most of my google integration and have had to find workarounds for it. Like I said: I get why you had to charge and that's fine. My issue is that both the original Nora and later Smartnora were provided initially without restriction and then feature-reduced for free users. Had there been a hard limit initially with a clear explanation that the service was freemium, I would have understood and made my choice at the outset. This is also exactly what happend with services like IFTTT and Pushbullet not too long ago. When they crippled their free service after offering it for so long, I left and found other solutions. I run my smart home on a shoestring budget and really want to avoid recurring costs. To that end, rather than subscribe, I found the "other" google assistant nodered integration and created my own google app. I suppose this reduces your user load by 1 and puts the work on me to get the service up and running. I did that and it works so far. Eventually I'll migrate the rest of my google assistant nodes over to my own app's nodes and disable Smartnora. I do want to share my appreciation for the service while I used it as well as for inspiring the work to get google assistant to work so well with nodered. Thanks for that. |
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Thanks for the feedback! I understand, the problem is you can't provide a service, with ongoing connection, to thousands of users, for free, for a very long time (unless you are doing something else to pay for the cloud services - ads/collecting and selling data/etc). This is the disclaimer I added to the login page of the first NORA service, when announcing the new Smart NORA:
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I am quite interested in what the other google assistant integration could be. In the long term it may be the least limiting option. Alexa isn't too bad for a voice assistant, but google assistant is a bit more flexible. E.g with the "local Bedroom Lamp" Alexa will work, Google will also work with variations such as bedroom light , bedroom lamp, turn on the light I am thinking of (requires mini in the same room). Alexa is far more brief in replies "OK" but will seek clarification when needed. All the assistants seem to be little flawed and as for working together ... Thank you for your project Andrei, I hope you don't mind some talk of alternatives, i'm sure there are a lot of people considering where to go from here. |
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@blackest I don't mind, but I think there are better places for that discussion: https://discourse.nodered.org/ |
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@blackest It's this one: https://flows.nodered.org/node/node-red-contrib-google-smarthome I couldn't figure out a way to send a private message to blackest so I put it here. If you want this removed, that's totally cool. |
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i do not want to use 3rd party providers and certainly not their servers! thanks y8s! too bad but for that little bit i don't pay 2€/month Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) |
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I would like to take out a subscription, but unfortunately I am missing some important information about it. Maybe it's written somewhere and I just can't find it :-) Thanks for the information. Regards Markus |
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Once you create a subscription, you can cancel/change it at any time from https://smart-nora.eu/my-nora . You will see a Canceling a subscription maintains it active until the end of the paid period, it's not immediate. Good observation, I'll probably have to write up some doc about it on the main readme page on github. |
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Subscription done. Thank you for the fast response. |
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Thanks for the support! Updated the readme with the info. |
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Hi Andrei, got caught out when 22 of my 27 devices disappeared from Google Assistant until I logged in to the Smart NORA page and noticed that it is now a subscription service. Paid my dues and then re-introduced all the devices back into Google Assistant. Been a user since the original NORA days and the World is becoming a user pays society so this explains the way forward. I have noticed previously when the node is updated that I sometimes have to re-introduce the devices back as they don't seem to always remember which room they have been assigned to. Am I the only one who has had this issue? Howard. |
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@Howie55 Hi, I suspect you changed the rooms from your Google Home app without updating them in node-red as well. The changes from Google Home do not sync back into node-red. |
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1. How satisfied are you with NORA so far? 2. Would you pay for a monthly subscription to use Smart NORA? 3. How much would you pay for this service? (paid monthly vs paid yearly) 4. What features do you think are missing from Smart NORA? The ability to identify which Google device has initiated a query so that any responses generated by node-red can be sent back to that specific device The ability to either hide lights, or group lights in node-red so that they only appear as a single light in Google Home. 5. Would you like other integrations for Smart NORA (other than Node-RED)? |
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The API does allow delayed responses (that are returned to the device that initiated the request). It must be sent within 5 minutes though. More information at https://developers.google.com/assistant/smarthome/develop/notifications |
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For grouping of lights, note that you can turn all lights in a room on/off at once already. "Turn on/off the $room lights". If you need more specific control then maybe look at Scenes? |
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Hi @normanr, My usage case doesn't require the API to allow for delayed responses as the responses are generated within Node-red and sent to the speaker via a cast. Hence hoping there was some way of identifying the initiating device. I'm trying to keep as much as possible in Node-red rather than having it spread across multiple systems that need to interact. The grouping issue is not really an issue, it was just an answer to Andrei asking if there were features we would like to see. It's Google's problem, not Smart-Nora's. |
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It looks like the API for "follow-up responses" gives a followUpToken that can be used to reply to the same device that the action was executed from. I was hoping that the async command execution would support that, but I don't think it does currently (there seems to be a 1500ms limit). It would be very cool if async command execution supported a way to return PENDING, and then later SUCCESS. Follow-up responses are only be supported for Proactive notifications are supported for |
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I realized that it should be possible to provide this for locally fulfilled requests, so I've filled #188 for it. |
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It's been a while since Smart NORA was launched and it's now generating a steady monthly cost for the infrastructure that Google provides
We're now at well over 2.3k registered users and ~1.5k online users staying connected each moment of the day.
I've been thinking of adding a paid subscription model to support the ongoing development and the infrastructure costs for NORA so this discussion is focused around feedback from users. As a payment service I was thinking of using Paylike (has a commission of 25 cents + 1.35%) so I think the subscription will have to be paid for a full year (or at least it will be cheaper) - feel free to recommend other payment services that you know and worked with.
There's also a pretty big overhead because I would need to start a business in order to accept payments (meaning taxes/accountant services/etc.).
There will still be the possibility to use a free account with a limit on the number of devices you can sink over with Google (haven't decided on the threshold yet).
So, here are the main questions:
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